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Tuesday, January 11, 2005

 

Paul:  Apostle or Imposter?

I wanted to write about Paul.  Y'know, Paul, the guy who wrote most of the New Testament?  The guy nobody likes or wants to believe?  I'm not kidding - you wouldn't believe the people (even in my small circle of Xanga subscriptions) who completely dismiss anything written by Paul.  "He never knew Jesus, he hated the Christians, and to mess up their faith from within is what his *real* agenda was.  I don't believe a word he wrote."  My jaw about hit the floor!  And frankly, I can't address the 'chauvinistic asshole' problem with Paul until we prove his credibility.  (If he's not credible, who cares if he was a chauvinistic asshole, eh?)  So we start here.  Was Paul an apostle, or an imposter?

I did a LOT of research on this a while ago... regarding a certain Snake's conversion which I recieved word of second-hand from a source with ulterior motives for stating as much (therefore, was not terribly credible, due to circumstances).  How was I to believe whether the conversion was real or not?  What did the Bible say about how to tell when a conversion was real or not?  Well, a LOT, and Paul was case in point.

For those of you not up on your Bibles, Paul was originally Saul.  He was a Jew, a highly educated, well-respected, very influential... Christian-killer.  He was there when Stephen was stoned.  He hated anything that had to do with Jesus Christ, although we have no record that he'd ever been near Jesus (that I know of).  He was on his way to do more bad things to Christians when Jesus Himself struck Saul down on the road from Heaven, chastizing him for his wickedness and blinding him.  There were eye-witnesses to this event, who heard the voice, too.  Then there's Ananias - the prophet Jesus sent the blinded Saul to in order to be healed.  Ananias also doubted - Acts 9:14-15.  God Himself testified to the validity of Paul's conversion to Ananias. 

And remember, Acts 9 was written by Luke, who not only traveled with Paul but was also a well-respected person of that time and openly states in the Bible that he wrote from the testimony of eyewitnesses (Luke 1:2), we have not only Jesus directly involved, eyewitnesses directly involved, Paul directly involved (and his writings by his own hand to testify), and Luke, who is a reputable physician and whose writings are compared to that of the likes of Homer attesting to the changes in character and belief of this man.  So far that's God, Jesus, Paul, his traveling companions, Ananias, and Luke we have to give credibility to him.

Still, remember Paul's character.  He was a louse.  He was a rat-riding louse.  He was a Christian-murdering louse.  Who would believe that he was converted by that experience with Jesus?  Would you trust the guy who helped stone and imprison your fellow believers?  It's like a Jew trusting Hitler!!  So we look at what happens next - Paul spends time with the Damascus believers (vs. 19).  He dives in immediately to learn all he can about Jesus Christ and the Gospel.  He surrounds himself with believers.  He took the time to learn first.  THEN...?  Paul goes out directly and preaches the Gospel!  (vs 20).  As zealous as he was in killing Jesus followers, he becomes as zealous in winning Jesus followers!  His *fruit* attest to his conversion, on top of it.  Amazing!!

Because of his the actions his conversion brings about, the Jews start to seek to kill HIM!!  (vs. 23).  This is what many Christians experience upon conversion - a period of testing.  Would he still claim the Gospel when his old superiors and fellow Jews come after him?  Or will he revert and save himself the humiliation, degradation, and persecution?  Paul does not turn back.

Verse 26 says he goes to Jerusalem and seeks out Jesus' disciples.  Yeah, the original guys.  Now... if you were a disciple in Jerusalem and a notorious Christian-killer was on his way to see you, would you be a *little* nervous?  They were!  It could be a trap, a trick.  But what happened?  Someone credible spoke up for him - Barnabas.  (vs 27).  Paul proved himself in his actions while with the disciples (vs. 28).  They were cautious, watching him and tutoring him.  But the big test was when he had to appear in front of the Pharisees of Jerusalem.  Because he preached there, too, the disciples needed no more proof.  They saw that God testified, Jesus testified, Ananias testified, eyewitnesses testified, Paul's behavior and fruit testified, and Barnabas testified.  (and Luke testified).  They needed no further proof, so they sent him home.

((Side note:  This pattern was NOT present with the Snake in my scenario.  No one credible testified, he never testified himself, his fruits testified AGAINST him - not in private OR in public -  and the Spirit did not testify... and continued fruits and works are STILL against him.  I do not and won't believe his conversion.  I cannot.  End of story.  Based on this guideline to conversion belief from Acts 9.))

But about Paul... if you can't believe Luke, then you have to throw out the book of Acts and the Gospel of Luke - on top of all of Paul's books.  Further you'd have to throw out the entire New Testament, because Matthew is one of the disciples who believed Paul, so if he's not credible, there goes another book.  John, too - and there go five books.  Jude, too - and there goes another book.  Do you see what happens?

Was Paul an imposter?  There's no possible way.  He himself performed miracles in the name of Christ.  He testified to the validity of the Gospel, converted in Christ's name, and was so interwoven with the apostolic fathers that he CANNOT be taken out of the equation without dismantling the entire New Testament.  Because if you can't believe the disciples testimony about Paul, how can you believe their testimony about Jesus?  The Gospels would be null and void.  Do you see?  And you can't pick and choose from the Bible - it turns you into a ridiculous hypocrite.  The Early Church fathers already knew this, (not to mention they had the witness of the believers in Rome, Cyprus, Greece, and many, many other places from both primary and secondary sources.)  They included Paul's writings in the Bible for a reason.

What tickles me?  Is that these men LIVED THEIR LIVES for the Gospel.  They were there, they knew the Truth, and they made the calls.  And yet modern, self-serving yahoos flitting around Xanga who haven't read the scriptures all the way through (let alone have studied them) are announcing that Paul is an imposter.  Yeah... who would *I* believe?  You or logic, years of recorded history, eyewitnesses, and the Truth itself, which does not contradict any other teaching in scripture?  Gee, that's a toughie...!  ((shakes head))

Paul IS an apostle of Christ.  He must be, or the Bible is a hoax, the prophets are liars, the saints are delusional, the early church father's fail us, and the faith falls.  You take Paul with it, or you have to disbelieve it all.  There's no choice but to believe that it's true... and that Paul was visited by Christ for a purpose - to direct the new church believers to a new level of Christ-mindedness, through miracles, prophecy, and teaching.  Having said that, we're ready to look at whether or not Paul was a chauvinistic, legalistic, whacked-out loser apostle or if he's been given a bad rap by the church.  Coming soon...!

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I'll admit, I used to hate Paul...but over the past several years I've come to change my tune.  Paul's messages can be a bitter pill to swallow for some people.  My problem with him was that I was too proud to want to believe what he said.  A submission thing maybe...

On a side note, sometimes I wish the book of Acts could be made into a movie.  The stuff in there is very exciting. 

Posted 1/11/2005 9:47 AM by GidgetPeke Xanga True Member - reply

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I don't disagree that Paul was a convert to Jesus. He believed it so much that he changed his entire life, which can't be easy, to suddenly do an about turn and have to explain to all your friends and family about what you're now about. He suffered for his beliefs, so presumably he really believed in order to do that. Because, presumably martyrs aren't wishy-washy about their beliefs?

I think, after some reading I've been doing over the holidays, that perhaps my problem is not with Paul. It's with the way the Church has used Paul and his message for their own agenda. I told you my mind could be changed
Posted 1/11/2005 10:05 AM by RebeccaStar - reply

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What kind of "christians" are you around...wow. I've never heard that one...people not believing or liking Paul. Amazing. I love Paul and his story...I mean c'mon! It's a story about a guy who's having ppl killed and stuff...and God USES him. How cool is that?! Man, some people are really really thick. Either you beleive the WHOLE Bible or none of it. I hate when people pick and choose what they want.

My dad is a minister. He had problems at his last church...actually they kind of pushed us out in a way. They didn't like him preaching the truth. They wanted fluff. He's having some problems in our church right now...if they would all just desire to GROW in their faith I think this church could really be awesome. Really. But there are those who refuse to change, refuse to let go of their choke hold...some like to be in charge but show no signs of being worhty of holding a role such as elder. Some of them make decisions not based on scripture but how they would deal with something on their own...I cringe. Sorry this is so long! And I agree with Gidget...it would be cool to have a movie on Acts.
Posted 1/11/2005 10:07 AM by roseyred - reply

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I think the book of Acts has been made into a movie.

I used to not like Paul because so many who are Christians have used what he has written to lay lots of rules and regulations and mode of dress on the people. It is only through going through the books in a Bible study that I began to see the passages in context. Paul in context is WAY different from snippets taken out of context and turned to legalism.

I know you do not per se like Beth Moore, but she has a study on the life of Paul that helped me to sort out Paul and realize the extent of his ministry. That taken in combination with my church's Bible study which, when I came in was in the book of Romans and has progressed chapter by chapter, verse by verse (we just finished Ephesians). has helped me to sort out a lot of misconceptions about Paul.

Heather

Posted 1/11/2005 10:11 AM by wondering04 Xanga True Member Xanga Lifetime Member - reply

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Posted 1/11/2005 10:48 AM by Kathi - reply

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* befuzzled *

I've never heard THAT before - about Paul being an "imposter." Huh? You'd have to toss the whole Bible out.
Posted 1/11/2005 10:53 AM by miss_o_hara Xanga True Member - reply

Paul...quite an inspiration to me. 

For I neither received it of man, neikther was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.  Galatians 1:12   How awesome is that! 

You will be addressing the 'chauvinistic asshole' issue, I look to Paul's personal greetings in Romans 16 and think 'nuff said!  I know you will go deeper into it and look forward to the next installment!

Posted 1/11/2005 11:42 AM by anonymous - reply

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Wow..I've never heard that people think of Paul as an imposter; nevertheless, this was an awesome post. I love Paul's writings in the NT, some of my favorite books/verses in the Bible where written by the Holy Spirit through Paul. To me, he is surely as credible as any other figure in the NT who wrote anything concerning Christ, faith, or salvation.

kudos for the great post.

-Leeza

Posted 1/11/2005 11:54 AM by circumstances_mean_nothing - reply

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Anna,

   I thought that this post was written by someone else, but when I clicked to comment, I realized that nobody else I know would have such a thorough commentary with her own unique perspective. =)  Kudos, I like the logic, the background, and that "Anna" perspective that everyone loves.

I have always liked Paul...the guy nobody thought would change.  I tend to think that Paul was around when Jesus was teaching, b/c he was a Pharisee, and persecuted the Church not long after Jesus left.  Charles Swindoll had a series on Paul and Jesus (I don't know how to make links, or I would link it), and he suggests that they were contemporaries also.  I tend to think they were, and that's why Jesus asked him why he was "kicking against the goads."

Posted 1/11/2005 1:34 PM by christianthought - reply

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As Tozer would say, where there is true repentance and conversion, there is a change in the new believer's life:  "gift and shift."  How sad that such is not often seen these days.

The Visual Bible has a word for word version of Acts out.  It is excellent.

Posted 1/11/2005 10:54 PM by tozhannah - reply

I, like you, have heard the arguments against Paul, mostly that he's a chauvinistic pig and couldn't possibly be an apostle because of that.  But people just don't understand the story and circumstances behind his writings and interpret them all wrong.  I think for the most part, women in particular throw Paul out b/c of the whole Ephesians thing where he SEEMS to tell women to keep their mouths shut.  Dig deeper, ladies...!

Posted 1/11/2005 11:12 PM by anonymous - reply

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YAY! I was waiting for this and as usual, I was not disappointed. Excellent stuff, Anna.

Unfortunately, I have heard the grumblings against Paul. Usually they're mostly by women because their husbands/leaders have taken the verses out of context and made their lives miserable... or it is a matter of pride. In either event, studying the Word yourself (below the surface) will show the truth. But you know the adage about leading horses to water ...

It was easy for me to believe in Paul's conversion because I saw it second hand. I knew an older man who accepted Christ as his Savior not long before he died and the change in him was unquestionable. He went from a bitter, abusive, heartless jerk who hated to hear anything about God or His Word to a human being. He let go of his bitterness and hatred, stopped blaspheming and cursing like a sailor, kicked a 3 pack a day habit (not because he "had" to but because he wanted to take care of his temple) and even shared the Gospel with his uber-abusive mother. Speaking about Christ brought tears to his eyes. He even started a bible study for the neighborhood kids and invited church visitors to his home for coffee and fellowship.

There are some things I need to study more about concerning Paul because I don't understand some of his writings. But I'm sure that will come in time also.
Posted 1/12/2005 6:00 AM by Sandcastles - reply

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Excellent post Anna~!
I am in line with you, and the comments above mine.
Whenever something makes someone uncomfortable, they tend to dismiss the entire thing. Being challenged to defend your actions, thoughts, motives, selfishness, etc. just plain pisses people off. If they don't have to believe Paul's writings were directed by the Holy Spirit, that God gave him words His people not only need to hear but should heed, then its easy to continue in your own selfish, self-seeking, flesh loving, amoral vices. After all, if there is no-one there to point a finger at you, its easy to ignore the nagging inside yourself that you need to change.
Beck, why do you think American society at large wants the Ten Commandments removed from public life? Without a constant reminder of their own lacking, they can delude themself into believing they have it all together!
As usual, excellent writing and thought provoking words! Keep on keepin' on girl!

Kathie
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Posted 1/12/2005 11:57 AM by ReddKatt Xanga Lifetime Member - reply

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The "Anna style that everyone loves"? Shows his newness to the site, huh?

I don't recall ever hearing anyone say that Paul was an imposter... If anything, it was Matthias, the one that the disciples selected to determine who would take Judas's place. Not to cast doubt on his faith, but just to cast doubt on God's intention to name him an "apostle."

It's like criticizing the Pentateuch - they don't want to believe it because it's foundational to any and every standard God has set for us.

Posted 1/13/2005 11:45 PM by outofthefire - reply

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Excellent.
Posted 1/22/2005 2:59 PM by letseewhatthiswilldo Xanga True Member - reply

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Hello Anna,

God bless you. I just came across an article that rubbished Paul, and when I asked for help and comments on the article, a Christian friend directed me to your article.

Although it does not give me Historical background to contradict the article < www.sullivan-county.com/id4/qumran.html >, reading your article truly shows the words of a believer. I am glad i read your article.

I had not realised that there were people out there itching to savage St. Paul.

You perfectly correct, that we have the testimony of all the other believers that testified to Paul's character and actions. The conversion is undoubtable.

My only question that remains:
Why Paul's writings became the most important literature in Christian history, and often taught sometimes ahead of Jesus' sayings and preaching. As if it was Paul that shaped Christianity.

It is Jesus that gives Christianity our meaning, thus the name Christ...Christians, so Paul's teachings must not and cannot contradict anything Jesus ever said. This is what I look for. It must endorse and amplify Jesus's message and not take anything away from it.

Well in the words of Jesus Himself:
"If they will not believe Moses and God's prophets, then they will also not believe anyone that comes back to warn us of the existance of the Kingdom as described by Jesus."... The story of Lazarus and the rich Man that dies and see Lazarus with Elijah in Heaven, while he is stuck up in Hell....

God bless the believers.
James.
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